Re-install trans. The brakes seems to work ok. So I took the axle apart and saw the dirty black fluid knowing that was a major factor in failure. Over time it gets pretty sloppy and hard to steer. more or less. A new set of 23″ x 10.50″ – 12″ wheels and new U. S. Made Carlisle “Turf Tamer” tires. 38 inch cutting deck. John Deere is stamping their name on those $2,500 machines. $5200.00 25 horse , 54″ cut. I would buy a new belt but it looks like you need to drop the steering to get the belt on ??? I’m already shoping and checking for models with transmissions with replaceable fluid and filters. And at that point we could not locate the spacer so we stopped everything there. It was quite black with sludge, etc. I had always thought John Deere was a class company & had the best product on the market. It bags about 3/4 of the clippings and debris and throws the rest everywhere. Then I added 3.5 oz. Price? I disassembled it all down to see if anything could be replaced. I realize having a riding mower last 10 years, maybe the industry thinks that’s enough and if it breaks down at that point I should consider myself well served. Crazy. My John Deere D140 has the same problem. Called a couple of places that rebuild trannys and both said the same thing if the fluid change didn’t help rebuild it! The result was loss of power and transmission overheating. It’s ovious from the many comments, and my own experience, that they have no intention of standing behind their products. I’ll invest money in the 26 year old Murray (mechanics good – sheet metal getting rough) rather than spend a penny with John Deere. The Kohler engine is still strong and cranks great, although it smokes like a freight train for a few seconds every time it is started, just like it has from day one–and it still has the always-entertaining gunshot-decibel-level backfire upon shutoff. It just might be better to hire someone to mow your lawn. Doesn’t pull the slightest grades after about 15 minutes of operation. I can get to the fulcrum on mine from below, although access is definitely tight! Now it sits. The unit is known to show some slippage at full speed setting. Do you think this super 500 upgrade Not to mention, getting the battery out to replace it was simply the worst experience of my life. Of course it’s a “crime” to have to spend that money on a 4 year old tractor. The first problem regarding John Deer snowblowers is a common circumstance for this kind of product with problems situation. Based on Tuff Torq’s recommendation used 5W50 Full Synthetic oil. Look on eBay for “John Deere K66”. Each repair lasting only a year. So, I’ve put together a class action lawsuit form and collecting names – if you’re in the same boat as me, take a minute and sign the form. Should you consider doing the K66 Upgrade? We are nearing the end of our K66 supply. The serviceman said the only option would be to give me $75 (seventy-five dollars) for the tractor. I have a three or four year John Deere z425 mower with the hydro tranny. or will the problem continue until I have an expensive ‘green yard ornament’ in the middle of my flat yard? Runs great, transmission already gave out! started going slower and slower up hills as time went on. You’re kidding right? There was only one type, so you can’t make a mistake………I guess? hi this from dr scaife. 2) Slight coaxing is needed to start it, especially if it has sat for a few weeks. Don’t feel bad Jens, when you say you are thinking of tearing the transmission apart, that got me thinking how fun it would be to take pictures of mine! What I got was a 2000 hour machine needing all the basic, and not so basic maintenance done. To date, we have around 1,400 visitors from around the United States that have added their name to the lawsuit. Fast & Free shipping on many items! My 110 & 112 from the 70’s still run great! Tractor well maintained and cleaned after 2 hours of cutting every weekend in the summer. I like many of you think John Deere should have some kind of lawsuit brought against them. Option #4, Install a K66 Transaxle upgrade kit – Worked like a charm, wow! Now I can’t even mow my entire yard which is relatively flat. I too am very disappointed in my John Deere L120. Same problems, won’t go uphill after running for awhile. I have an l110 green piece of you know what also, the k46 trans. They “claimed” it just needed stronger spring which I knew it wasn’t.. I to am disappointed in the John Deere 130 tractor that I bought 3 yrs. 2- Increase the rpm’s by adjusting the speed lever cable coming from the dash board console, next to the choke lever. The second delivery came about 1:30 yesterday (Tuesday). Ps: Yes, the kits work just fine in the L111. While most folks on this page are having difficulties, it must be remembered there are thousands operating satisfactorily. I had the oppurtunity to buy a deere 165 from an inlaw that would not start without turning the fly wheel by hand. He mows 2 times the grass I do and he’s still mowing and I’m not. I am going to follow up on that one. I mow almost ten acres with a few hills and am sure the trailer loads were the killer even though the 54” deck is quite heavy. Unless you can find someone to give you a $1000.00 for a mower that won’t move. I now own a JD X540 and am very pleased with it but still have my 2554 and know not what to do with it. Is there a JD message board where we can post what mowers we buy to replace our JD’s with faulty transmissions? the kit I bought for $978 is now about $1,618! Definitely getting fake through filter and to pump but not to carburetor bowl. I recently started to have the exact same problem with my L130 which is about 4 years old and 330 hours. Looking for help on finding parts for a Tuff Torq K51A-SBR, S/N 087910 transaxle on a JD Sabre, JDPP P/N AM880202. Unfortunately, about the only sure cure is a transaxle replacement with either a new K46, a K66 Upgrade or even a K72 “Super 500” Upgrade. I’ve watched my neighbor store their Cub Cadet outside unprotected in the winter for years (and they don’t winterize it) and that things keeps going! You decide. For that much money I am willing to take it apart myself, change out the fluid and put it back together to see if it works or not. Slow or no movement came on slowly and changing transmission oil made no difference. With the brake OFF, the trunnion should be correctly positioned to simply drop into the hole on the transaxle brake lever. BTW, I only had 185 hours on it when it started to go bad. Sometimes it was so deep I had to first go through with the blower lifted, then back up to go again with it down. John Deere does, what I consider, “sneaky” advertising. I definitely wouldn’t recommend the lower end JD mowers at this point. Since the guy I bought the 216 lived about 50 miles away, I offered him the L120 with the worn out tranny and steering for free in exchange for delivery. I have a L130 with the same problems as everyone else…No power after 15-20 minutes of mowing. removing the transaxil is litterally 4 bolts. I have just stumbled on the blog and I’m wondering if a replacement kit may be availible but I’m not sure which transmission it has and I’m not sure where to find this out. I just purchased a used LT 120 with 300 hours on it. Bought mine used with only 200 hours about 2 months ago. I rebuilt it with the factory rebuild kit 2 more times, and both other times the tranny ended up doing exactly the same thing. I have just located this blog. It was full to the top.Now what? Robert P. Esposito 236 Cutts Road, Newport, NH 03773 or call 603-863-6666, my L 130 is still mowing and climbing hill fine after filter and fliud change. Scott, I agree with you–and I am definitely not a sue-happy person; I believe in people taking responsibility for their own actions, not hiring lawyers who will find a way to make it someone else’s fault! 1) Why did this happen? I’ve got the steepest hills around (I’m going to video take myself going up and down the hill so you can see for yourself) and the monster tires I received with my kit make snow plowing a snap! Hi Al, Great information there! If we can find more K66’s, which is very doubtful, the pricing will be at least $500 higher. I can tell you that I do love my old tractor and it runs like the way the DEERE RUNS. “The Word” is getting out worldwide. I checked over the install and all look correct, tension on the belt was fine, fairly new belt (new belt last year on the L120) I noticed that the brake control had very little movement in either direction. I intend to fill in new oil tonight (after work) and start putting the tractor together again and see if there is any improvement. They piddled around with it for so long that I finally told them to forget it. Last summer I found out you could adjust the peddles to get a little more spread. Your all really cheap or you didn’t do your homework before you bought or both. Sounds somewhat complicated but I will give this a try. I could only hope that this can make them honor their reputation that was once outstanding. The “warranty” (JOKE) just replaces JUNK with JUNK! When I contacted John Deere they said they were not aware of any problems with the transmission. I live in Northeast TN and not sure where to get parts for the Tuff Torq transaxle. I still haven’t located anything that lists the components necessary to retrofit. My wife bought me a brand new LT155 in 2000 for my 40th birthday after a few years of normal use, it would no longer back up on any incline, but will go forward if the hill is not steep, although it’s very slow going. Re: Craig. I mowed about 1/5 of the yard and the mower turned into a piece of sculpture. Hasn’t completely died yet, but definitely has lost power and speed. We followed the instruction exactly as they were. No more John Deere products for me. I have John Deere la175 80hrs. It wasn’t long before I began to notice the same issues listed in the comments regarding the transmission. Anybody want to start a class action law suit? A whining noise can be heard from the back of the tractor mostly when losing power while in use. You are right it’s through the cap under the pulley and fan. I’ll pass. Hi – this is directed to Roger and Tony from Australia (if you still check this forum). As far as I know nothing was done to cause this by me and it was working OK before the overhaul. Please add me to the class action suit. an hour to take out 1halfs to put back .dennis. But, I saw all those glowing comments from previous purchasers of your upgrade kit and decided to go with it and it has completely exceeded my expectations!!! I, too, have the same problem that most of the above owners have stated. Mine has a shaft with an eccentric cam lobe on it that is used to adjust the transition from forward to reverse; I believe the TuffTorq catalog calls this the fulcrum. These homeowner models that are sold at Home Depot and the like may be cheaper, but you will be lucky to get 500 hours out of it on flat terrain. The fourth option in dealing with my John Deere that won’t climb hills is to buy a transmission upgrade kit and I am NOT mechanically inclined! So my total usage was about 500 hours(benefit of the doubt), the stated life is supposed to be around 1,600 hours, so I should have about 6 more years to go. June 28, 2017 Possibly today or tomorrow I will try an actual mowing job and will be able to accurately compare the “before” and “after” performance. I will never own another small JD lawn tractor. I did a lot of research and found a John Deere transmission upgrade kit. Mowed great for 2 yrs. Since, I’ve been researching the issues and found my way to the same conclusion as you. My L118 limited edition performs horrible. TRACTOR INFO Now at 335. Thanks for reading , Allen. McDonalds is also a good example of this! Indeed we are in!!!! It would run good for a half hour then it wouldn’t go up a grade. Small hills become a challange and it slows to a crawl…with the peddle to the floor! FYI: I’m considering setting up a “Refurbishing and Upgrade” service. But I’m little worried about getting over my head so I am watching how you guys make out with a great deal of interest. Please send me link to sign petition for class action law suit. After it sat all winter I started it, and it moved! I’m sure John Deere will get the message. It's hard to clean up and wax. It is junk, I have a d130 no reverse and slow forward 98 hours piece of junk. In the picture of the new K66, it seems there is a cap to fill transmission oil near the top of the unit. This year I installed both front axles, bushing and two new front tires at the same time and they still going bad. i took transmission apart in the pump i put small washers under the springs. I just bought this mower on Craigslist, cost me $900 for a LA120. Problem started 2 yrs after purchase, after starting i would let mower warm up for 2 or 3 min. i use this machine daily and it was free everything else is good on it. I too would not recommend John Deere to anyone after my experience; my neighbor has a Kubota that he swears by. Starter Does Not Work Or Will Not Turn Engine. Won’t climb slopes, and goes verrry slow. Refill with 5W-50 Synthetic oil. “Nothing runs like a Deere,” says John Deere’s slogan. We spent $2300 on this mower and now I have nothing to show for it. My K46 to K66 Upgrade Kits are currently on-hold, awaiting parts from JD. Is it really worth the money to upgrade it? I have been thinking of ordering the upgrade K66 kit but it’s hard to spend $1,500.00 on the kit when I paid $2,100.00 for the mower new. It looks like a hydraulic pump,but with no more wear than I found, should still work. John Deere and Home Depot are misrepresenting this product because it does not perform as advertised, and unsuspecting customers who have faith in the John Deere brand are left holding the bag with a product that will consistently fail…with no recourse. Luckily only a portion of my 2 acres is hilly, but I have had to stop mowing the hill because I can not make the hill. So I threw a $100 bill on the counter and said, ” Heres your money I want out of here as fast as possible”. PROTEST BY BUYING A DIFFERENT MACHINE. I know it will get old again real soon, but for now I am like a kid with a brand new….much more powerful….toy! The tranny whines and complains on any type of hill or even a flat surface if it hits a bump. I could see from forum posts and eBay status that it was safe not to mention that eBay guaranteed the purchase; the fact that I had a phone number to call made me feel that much better. hole and pushed it into the hose… snug fit nicely. Remove trans and vent plug… turn upside-down and drain oil for 5 hours. And I can now check my trans fluid and add oil as required. Don’t know how long this will work,need a cheaper fix than the K66. too have lost power and cannot climb a small hill without whining and losing power. i pulled the trans out and changed the fluid and now with 497 hours i’m starting to have the same issue i use it about 5 hours a day. I don’t see anything changing. Troubleshooting a John Deere mower deck can isolate, and diagnose, an existing problem. After about a year, I started to notice a loss in power; not enough to prevent mowing but enough that it was noticeable. Looks like ill be buyting anew mower…. I could have bought 2 Murrays or Craftsman and been money ahead. i have a L 130 and been having transmission slippage took hydro out and replaced filter and old oil helped a lot, not 100% still but a 100% IMPROVEMENT over what it was. i bought my L130 used, and of course it was from someone who buys, cleans and resells tractors so I’m sure he knew to have me test drive on a nice flat surface. This is a poor design sold my JD and it need a recall but if we don’t file suit they will only keep selling this product. The reliability of the J.D. A D mower is great for flat land and in town mowing. I own three Simplicity tractors, the oldest being 1967, the newest 2007. After the process, the metal fasteners became brittle and snapped when tightened. (Small hand needed!) However, in this case, it does seem that John Deere has misrepresented, or allowed the big box stores to misrepresent, the capabilities of these machines. I was, and still am, blown away by the power of my upgraded L120! I just wanted to thank all of you who took the time to share some of your challenges and frustrations concerning the lower end JD purchased from box stores. I parked mower and check the underneath, sure enough, hydro fluid leaking. I searched Google for John Deere Transmission and this site popped up first. I’m just gonna pull the engine (B&S Vanguard)/ cut off the front clip keep the rear tires and rims, and scrap everything else. I have owned 2 lawn tractors before this one, the last one was the X300, and they both bagged better than this tractor. Sure is a sad day when you can’t trust a name brand. Hopefully by us banding together we can make a difference! Fact is, the lower end John Deere’s mentioned here just don’t stand up to the competition. by Roger Daisley. (Disclosure: I am a mechanical engineer, so I am just enough of a gearhead that this is somewhat like fun to me..). I have a la150 with the same problem. Q: Has this Class Action Lawsuit included people that have tractors with the K46 ? Now I came to your blog and decided to join your class action. PLEASE!!! Had to replace the transmission. Is JD any different from their competitors? later the repair shop calls and tells me the transmission is bad! Hi; I have a 2004 John Deere L-120 and every week when I go out to start mowing, it starts right up. It’s only now reading this site that I see that in May you advised that this kit is not a good fit for the LTxxx series. Found somethings with wear, but most were made of aluminum. And a Question has come to mind: What about transmissions from other years, other models? Doe’s anyone know, what is the proper AMOUNT of fluid is ? Roger, I sent you a question via e-bay last night re: the upgrade kit for a JD with manual PTO. I just signed the petition and agree 100% this is not right to have to spend the money that we have to purchase a machine that is supposed to be the “top dog” but instead is a dog when it comes to performance. Same problem with my 2007 JD LA-150 and my sons L120. We got 15 inches of snow here in South Dakota with blizzard conditions for 2 days. In the end, it depends on the cost of the upgrade kit and the price of a mower that will do the job correctly, which is not a John Deere! Also, although some of the paint is coming off, it still looks good to be that old and truth is, the paint is probably thicker on this model than the metal is that the new ones are made of. I’m having the same problem, no power on the hills just a slipping noise. The Coca Cola Company Official Prize Notification, 2010 World cup in South Africa FIFA Promotion team. But, enough of our time has been wasted. but leave R.H. wheel off. I cut about an acre two days ago (ran out of daylight), and finished the rest yesterday. I too will never buy another JD product and will paint it a different color if I keep it! I too after the first transaxle replacement was told I needed a bigger unit! To costly to replace tranny. I wrote several letters to John Deere and have heard nothing in return. It will NOT require repairing/rebuilding every 200 hours. I have a similar problem with the mower not liking hills after warming up 15 minutes or so. My oil really did not look bad, but I think the 350 hours of heat had probably ruined the viscosity to the extent that, coupled with the worn components, I had no pulling power. However that is still good service I think. Shame on you John Deere. Have an L120 with the same issue . No you haven’t lost me, just been reading what all has happened to you guys and trying to keep up with the growing grass here. In addition, you will have a fully serviceable transaxle built to automotive standards. Several days later we received a letter from J.D. They have to many lawyers to beat them in court and a class action will last years but the A.G., if you have enough people (at least well over 1,ooo) sending in their notarized complaints about John Deere then he can order a recall or reimbursement or file charges against them. Changing the transmission fluid and installing new fluid may indeed fix your problem! That’s still less than JD wants.Can’t afford a new one. Roger, Do you have any upgrades for a Cub Cadet GT1554? It would be completely disassembled and everything inspected. I operate heavy equipment for a living (32 years) and I can feel the torque and power it has. I have had this John Deere for about 7 yrs and cut a small yard for most of its life. Awful frustrating for a mower with only 120 hours on it If I hadn’t spent so time and money on the engine I would be tempted to junk the whole thing. We are working on finding a lawyer to handle the lawsuit and will update as we have more information. It mows great for 20 minutes and then won’t go up the slightest incline. It IS like having a new lawn tractor, but a MUCH more powerful one!! Our K66 Upgrade Kits are starting to fly out the door. You can buy a repair kit from Tuff Torq and basically make your K46 whole again. Here are some models to choose from right now, with free shipping – and eBay guarantees the purchase!. This is my first hydrostatic transmission tractor and unfortunatly my first JD, I’m bummin! Can’t wait to get one of the K72’s! It has 209 hrs. The ones I looked at were not as expensive as you mentioned (21K46) and were in the $1700 range. Today, I decided to remove the hydrostat to see if oil could be added. I used the mower for 1 year now it doesnt want to go up a small hill not real happy about it 2 junk JD mowers what happened to JD meaning quality you can tell as soon as you start mowing with one brand new they are cheaply made junk. Man up. An upgrade just makes sense …ask any of our 300+ upgrade customers. You can now check your trans oil and fill as required. I can bore the non technical crowd with FMEA analysis, 5-Y’s and root cause analysis done on the front end of the product launch that exposed this issue. I have had the same problem with the John Deere L130 tractor as so many others have noted. The first thing I would look at is the “free wheeling rod.” (A small push/pull rod extending from the back hitch plate of the tractor) If this rod was inadvertently pulled out, the tractor will not move. John Deere Original Lawn Mower or Gator 15" Seat Cover (Medium) #LP92324. If I had an address I could mail you this. Very disappointed with this mower and John Deer don’t care reaction. I have a 1974 12hp massey hydrostatic tranny Im the 2nd owner never touched the tranny but the tucumceh turned it into a guy tractor got the wife L130 410hrs new drive belt still noise lacks power not impressed Im a hd mechanic in the forrest ind. It’s just another example of a company who wants to be revered as exceptional by relying on its past. Please, help if you can, I need to fix so i can sell this mower. My JD started making a noise when the trans was engaged during the second season. 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